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‘Doom Loop’: OpenAI and Microsoft Admits LLMs Are Destroying the Web and Built on Theft

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‘Doom Loop’: OpenAI and Microsoft Admits LLMs Are Destroying the Web and Built on Theft

Executives working on AI at Microsoft and OpenAI admitted what its critics have been saying all along: Large language models are predatory pieces of technology that have been built on what a Microsoft executive called “an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” and the “largest theft of labor in human history.” An internal Microsoft document said generative AI products have created a “doom loop” that is killing “the entire web.” 

Those statements and a series of other mask-off moments feature heavily in an unredacted court filing that was unsealed Thursday in the behemoth New York Times vs OpenAI copyright lawsuit that has been winding its way through the court system for years. In a filing asking for summary judgment (basically, a filing with the court asking it to rule), lawyers for the New York Times laid out a series of admissions made by Microsoft and OpenAI executives in documents and depositions that until now had remained either sealed or redacted at the request of Microsoft and OpenAI. 

‘Doom Loop’: OpenAI and Microsoft Admits LLMs Are Destroying the Web and Built on Theft

It’s easy to see why the AI companies wanted to hide this from the public. The statements, taken together, are some of the most damning indictments of the ways LLMs were trained, how they worked, and the immediate threat they pose to human labor. It is a reminder that even as AI becomes more powerful and companies try to shift the narrative to the supposed existential risk of “superintelligent” AI, the tools they have already built were created by stealing from human creativity and labor and are by definition existential threats to the human labor market.

“Millions of people around the world will soon consider large models ‘hoovering up’ all their work to be an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions,” an internal Microsoft document cited in the case read, adding “almost no one intended for content they created to be used in this fashion, nor are they compensated for its use.”

The filing was written by lawyers for the New York Times but is largely comprised of statements and interviews with big tech executives that admit both that LLMs are largely trained on stolen content, that they represent an existential risk for the human writers, artists, and media companies that they stole from, and that their products have started a “doom loop” that is eating the web and destroying the businesses that these companies stole from. 

The unredacted filing was found by Jason Kint, the CEO of Digital Content Next, a trade organization that represents digital media companies. Kint has been closely following and posting about massive AI copyright lawsuits.

The court filing cites an internal Microsoft document that found that AI products steal from human content creators, then cannibalize clicks from the people and websites they’ve stolen from, thereby destroying their business models. 

“Our AI content strategy has started a ‘doom loop’ that will hurt the performance of our models and the entire web at the same time: It is highly unusual that an end-product threatens the economic foundations of its essential suppliers, but that is the situation we have created for our LLM business with respect to its ‘content supply chain,’” the document said. 

Microsoft executives, including CEO Satya Nadella, testified under oath that after ripping content from the New York Times and other news sites, clicks to those news sites fully cratered, falling by more than 90 percent on Bing. 

Documents obtained during the court proceedings found that OpenAI created “a hack to get around nytimes paywall,” to which OpenAI cofounder Greg Brockman said “ah, nice.” Microsoft executive Brent Hecht wrote that LLMs steal content “without ways of distributing economic value down the supply chain, [which] necessarily threatens the economic stability of those who create the content.” 

OpenAI’s policy director Jack Clark wrote that the company was “creating systems that substitute for the labor of the people that define the ‘culture’ of society” and Microsoft, in a policy document, wrote that generative AI could “significantly disrupt the employment of the very people who generated the data on which the foundation model was trained […] LLMs are a product that destroys its supply chain.” OpenAI called itself an “existential threat” to news publishers, and an OpenAI software engineer testified that “no matter how prominently we show the links, users won’t click.” 

None of this is at all surprising to anyone who has been paying attention to the development of generative artificial intelligence, but the document, taken in whole, is a real they-admit-it situation. OpenAI’s and Microsoft’s lawyers have been trying to argue that their model training is fair use and transformative under copyright law and that they are building something that is fundamentally different from the human labor that it was trained on. But internally, these executives know that what they have built has been built on stolen content and that the products they’ve made are cannibalizing the sources they’ve stolen from and destroying the internet as we know it.   

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What is Disney even doing with The Muppets now?

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The name of the game at the Walt Disney Company in the 21st century has been “acquisition.” The company has grown massively in size thanks largely to the era in which former CEO Bob Iger oversaw the purchases of Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm. But in the years before Buzz Lightyear, Spider-Man, and Luke Skywalker became Disney property, an equally beloved if frustratingly underserved group of characters took up residence in the Magic Kingdom. That would be the Muppets, who joined the fold in February of 2004, ensuring that any future films, TV shows, and specials starring Kermit The Frog, Miss Piggy, and Fozzie Bear would have the Disney imprimatur. 

This was one of the final big moves from Iger’s predecessor, Michael Eisner, the completion of a deal that had fallen through nearly 15 years prior—just before the death of Muppet creator Jim Henson. Compared to Iger’s active pursuit of Pixar once he was installed as CEO, the view from outside the company was that Eisner had handed his former underling a bag of unwanted felt on his way out the door. As the company poured more money into (and made more money from) sequels to Toy Story and Cars, the many phases of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and the start-and-stop expansion of the Star Wars galaxy, the Muppets managed to feel left out of the expansion party even though they were first to arrive.

The House Of Mouse’s shaky stewardship of Kermit and friends has become a flashpoint once more in light of the recent one-off revival of The Muppet Show and its impressive wins it racked up at this year’s Primetime Emmy Awards. Fans and industry watchers alike remain baffled that Disney hasn’t ordered any additional installments of Sabrina Carpenter’s critically acclaimed, much-watched visit to The Muppet Theater—all the more so after a recent Deadline report suggesting that the sticking point is “the premise” of such a show. Considering that the premise of The Muppet Show is built in (the premise is that it’s The Muppet Show), and considering the state of the Muppets overall, we should ask one simple question. What the hell is Disney doing with the Muppets?

On the surface, the answer would seem to be “quite a lot.” Theme-park fans were heartbroken to see Muppet*Vision 3D permanently retired at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Orlando last year, but that was somewhat offset by Dr. Teeth And The Electric Mayhem replacing Aerosmith as the musical headliners on the park’s Rock ’n’ Roller Coaster. Last decade, Disney released two separate feature films, The Muppets and Muppets Most Wanted, the former of which netted the Muppets’ first Oscar for Best Original Song. (Yes, inexplicably, “Rainbow Connection” lost to the largely forgotten theme from Norma Rae in 1980.) And in 2015, ABC aired a weekly TV series also titled The Muppets. Add in Disney+ projects like Muppets Haunted Mansion and The Muppets Mayhem and it doesn’t seem like the studio has ignored these characters at all.

But just because Disney has kept the Muppets on various screens hasn’t meant that it’s all been creatively successful, or effectively tapped into the blend of zany humor, boundless imagination, and sincere warmth that made people love the Muppets in the first place. The 2015-16 Muppets TV series was an attempt to modernize the characters and have them riff on a different style of TV: Just as the ’70s Muppet Show riffed on the primetime variety extravaganzas of the day, this one would riff on single-cam comedies like The Office and 30 Rock. The behind-the-scenes machinations of a late-night show hosted by Miss Piggy were shown in a mockumentary format, complete with talking-head confessionals and fourth-wall-breaking looks to the imaginary film crew. Perhaps that series could have worked on paper, but as soon as its writers talked about avoiding “talking vegetables and dancing chickens,” it was a sign that these Muppets couldn’t be your grandparents’ Muppets, with no good reason for why they had to be different. The midseason departure of co-creator Bob Kushell didn’t inspire much more confidence, nor did the retooling that followed (to fix it so, for example, Kermit and Piggy didn’t actively hate each other). The damage was already done, and the show was axed after 16 episodes.

Compare the desire to introduce relationship drama and showbiz toxicity into the Muppet mix to the reverence Jason Segel brought to the characters—along with the knowledge of what really makes them tick. Segel wasn’t the only creative driving force behind the 2011 film The Muppets, but his love of the characters was such a defining aspect that it underpins the arc in which his character has to come to terms with whether he’s a man or a Muppet. It’s a shame that appreciation wasn’t fully articulated in the script: The Muppets not only makes its title characters supporting players in a story centered on Segel, Amy Adams, and new Muppet Walter, but spends its entire running time trying to convince its audience that the Muppets are still worth paying attention to. (Anyone who bought a ticket probably agreed to begin with, so the movie was protesting a bit too much.) The 2014 sequel Muppets Most Wanted, meanwhile, actually, attempted to make the Muppets its leads. No mere Great Muppet Caper redux, its European-set adventure involving heists aplenty and a human villain infuses the film with much more of the joyfully anarchic humor of the Jim Henson/Frank Oz era. It should’ve been as big, if not bigger, a box-office hit as The Muppets.

While Segel’s take on the Muppets climaxed with a reenactment of The Muppet Show, the creative team for the 2026 special—the Forgetting Sarah Marshall star’s fellow Apatowverse alumni Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg among them—went the simple route. They just… y’know, made an episode of The Muppet Show. Where so many other iterations of the modern Muppets change things up, from placing them in different contexts or presenting them as drastically different from their established personas, this Muppet Show went right back to basics, and was a resounding success because of that choice.

It isn’t just that the episode aped the basic structure of the original Muppet Show. Gags like The Great Gonzo performing a ridiculous daredevil act while reciting the names of Best Supporting Actress Oscar winners or one in which celebrity guest Maya Rudolph shows up in a Muppet News Flash sketch only to seemingly die managed to thread a delicate needle. These bits allowed the Muppets to feel appropriately 21st-century without sacrificing the original series’ old-fashioned, “Let’s put on a show” spirit.  

The Deadline article is, if nothing else, just echoing the frustrations that fans and critics have been voicing in the seven months since The Muppet Show aired on ABC. If the revival had been toothless or unfunny, or if it had been a ratings flop, a lack of a response from the executive team that has since replaced Iger at Disney would make sense. But the show received rave reviews, and its Emmy haul makes for a curious statistic: By winning the awards for Outstanding Variety Special (Pre-Recorded), Outstanding Writing For a Variety Special, Outstanding Picture Editing For A Variety Special, and Outstanding Production Design For A Variety Special, the special equaled the number of Emmys the original Muppet Show won across its five seasons. And while the two feature films and other specials may have had their bumps, the presence of celebrities like Jack Black, Zach Galifianakis, Lady Gaga, and Taraji P. Henson suggests that a new set of episodes would have their pick of A-List special guest stars, a notion seconded by Carpenter, Rudolph, and Rogen’s appearances in the 2026 Muppet Show. Surely the enthusiasm of so many big names holds some sway with the Disney brass.

While the Muppets have weathered their wilderness years, the more fussed over limbs that were grafted onto theDisney family tree have experienced their own struggles. Behind-the-scenes turmoil, flagging grosses, and the questionable results of turning the MCU and Star Wars into sagas that live-action film and television series have all led to the massive bets placed on Avengers: Doomsday and Star Wars: Starfighter—which feel, to paraphrase Jack Donaghy, like trying to make it the 2010s again through science or magic. But no matter how many unfruitful creative avenues they’re led down, audiences still love the characters at the center of this franchise—an affinity that’s particularly pronounced with the Muppets. Just look at the rapturous response to the news that Emma Stone, Jennifer Lawrence, and Cole Escola are trying to get a Miss Piggy movie off the ground, or the glowing New York magazine tribute in which Angelica Jade Bastién declared the porcine diva “the last woman movie star.” 

There is, even if the Deadline article implies otherwise, no premise to crack with The Muppet Show. There is no roadmap to follow. Whether it’s Disney or another creative partner struggling to grasp this, the answer is simple: just make The Muppet Show. That alone would show that Disney was willing to do right by these worldwide stars once more. You don’t have to try any harder than that.

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Aadam Jacobs finally releases some of his ten thousand show tapes on vinyl

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The covers of live albums by Eleventh Dream Day and Naked Raygun, sourced from show tapes by Aadam Jacobs and released by brand-new label Laughing Bee Music. The covers consist of collages of vintage photos and flyers and ticket stubs related to each band, with the word LIVE overlaid on the image as a black template.

Famous Chicago show taper Aadam Jacobs has long wanted to release records. In the early 90s, he briefly ran his own label, Dead Bird, which he launched with the 1991 Trenchmouth seven-inch Kick Your Mind and Make It Move! The label petered out after just a handful of releases.  “I was not a record-company guy. […]

The post Aadam Jacobs finally releases some of his ten thousand show tapes on vinyl  appeared first on Chicago Reader.

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Trump throws out power plant climate pollution rules

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Photo illustration of industrial smokestacks.

The Environmental Protection Agency announced its plans today to kill any remaining standards on how much greenhouse gas pollution power plants are allowed to emit in the US. The move will only make electricity dirtier as AI, electric vehicles, and a revival of domestic manufacturing drive up power demand.

The EPA's proposal today is a major escalation of President Donald Trump's efforts to promote fossil fuels while making it easier to build out energy-hungry data centers. Environmental and consumer advocates, meanwhile, are fighting back - arguing that Trump's deregulation spree comes with higher costs for the environment, public health, …

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Cops Search Thousands of Flock Cameras for Reasons of ‘LMAO,’ ‘IDK,’ ‘Hehe,’ and ‘asdfg’

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Cops Search Thousands of Flock Cameras for Reasons of ‘LMAO,’ ‘IDK,’ ‘Hehe,’ and ‘asdfg’

Last summer, a cop with the Lake County, Indiana Sheriff’s Department used Flock’s surveillance search engine to look for a license plate across more than 19,000 cameras in 1,558 cities and towns. The cop’s stated reason for the search, according to a record of Flock’s system, was “LMAO.” 

The cop is one of dozens who put gibberish, jokes, or other nonsense into Flock’s “reason” box, highlighting the casualness and lack of care some cops have when searching an incredibly powerful surveillance system. This is on top of the thousands upon thousands of cops who simply wrote something like “investigation,” “test,” or left the box blank as their search “reason,” according to a new analysis by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and shared with 404 Media. 

EFF’s investigation found cops across dozens of jurisdictions writing “LMAO,” “LOL,” “Hehe,” “Haha,” “idk,” “blah,” “TBD,” and “robbery I don’t remember the case number leave me alone” in Flock’s “reason” box for searches. They found cops writing “idiot,” “fuck this new search engine,” “dickhead,” “shithead,” and “WEIRD KID” in the reason box. And they found an entire class of police button mashers, who ran searches for reasons of “asdfg,” “gyghkkghghjkghjk,” “jhjhjkhj,” “jkhhkjhjk,” “nmbvcbnm,” and so on and so forth. The searches came from police departments across the country from 2023 through late 2025, when Flock changed how the “reason” box in its search system functions.

Cops Search Thousands of Flock Cameras for Reasons of ‘LMAO,’ ‘IDK,’ ‘Hehe,’ and ‘asdfg’

As Flock’s automated license plate reader system comes under fire for privacy abuses, the perception of mass surveillance, and cases of police abuse, the company and police departments around the country have tried to paint those who want to limit the technology as wanting to take away a powerful tool that police use to solve very serious crimes. While Flock has been used in high profile cases, the searches published by the EFF and the cases of abuse reported by 404 Media and other news outlets around the country show that police often aren’t taking their responsibilities seriously.

“When law enforcement and tech salespeople pitch ALPRs to city councils, they stick to a familiar script. They trumpet the technology, which is often provided by private companies like Flock Safety, Motorola Solutions, or Axon, as an essential tool for solving high-stakes crimes, such as car jacking, kidnapping, or murder,” the EFF wrote in a blog post about its findings. 

“Police are routinely searching the Flock database without providing any legitimate justification, making a mockery of our civil liberties by logging reasons like ‘LOL,’ ‘LMAO,’ ‘sexy,’ and ‘idk’ to access sensitive ALPR location data […] With no warrant requirements, limited guardrails, and deficient audit processes, ALPR databases have fostered a culture of unrestricted access to everyone’s location information. This culture of abuse has allowed police to treat a mass surveillance network like their own personal search engine, permitting the tracking of the movements of everyday citizens for low-level complaints, personal whims, and sometimes, seemingly, for the lols.”

Cops Search Thousands of Flock Cameras for Reasons of ‘LMAO,’ ‘IDK,’ ‘Hehe,’ and ‘asdfg’

The EFF was able to do this analysis because of the way that Flock documents police use of the system. Each time a search is performed, a record of it is saved in the Flock system, which can be obtained by the public using government records requests. These audit logs show hundreds of thousands of searches of the system; after 404 Media and other news outlets used these types of logs to show police using the Flock system to look for undocumented immigrants on behalf of ICE, a woman in Texas who had an abortion, and protesters, cops were warned by government surveillance centers to be “as vague as permissible” about the reasons for their searches. Late last year, Flock changed its system; rather than having to type in a reason, Flock now has a drop-down list of prepopulated reasons, which the EFF called “a loss for transparency.” 

The EFF contacted departments whose cops performed these “joke” searches, and found that many of them did not do anything about cops who button mashed or put jokes. Cops who wrote “hehe” and “idk” were “counseled,” they were told. A cop who wrote “idiot” got away with it because by the time the department learned about it, it had passed a 90-day time period in which the cop’s union contract allowed for internal investigations. Several other police departments said they would investigate the behavior. The Fishers Police Department in Indiana said that a detective who searched Flock for reasons of “blah” only did so “when he has issues with the technology,” or when “the technology is not moving fast enough for him.” A police department said it investigated a cop who wrote “driving around being weird” in the reason field but found it was for “legitimate public safety purposes.”

“The fact that these searches were not only missed by the agency supervising the officer, but by the often thousands of other agencies whose systems were searched, demonstrates how agencies cannot be trusted to oversee themselves,” the EFF wrote. “Mass surveillance is incompatible with a free society, and especially so when the people with access to this data are treating it like a joke.”   

 

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Disney still can't get its Muppet act together

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Sorry for the false alarm. Apparently, it’s still not time to play the music, light the lights, or meet the Muppets on The Muppet Show tonight or any other night for the foreseeable future. Despite being the Mouse House’s most nominated and winning show of the year, the behemoth movie studio that’s letting the Russo brothers make the most expensive Avengers movie ever without a script still doesn’t know what to do with The Muppets. Earlier this year, Disney scored massive viewership and industry-wide acclaim with a Seth Rogen and Sabrina Carpenter-led Muppet Show special. In the special, Kermit himself, the leader of the Muppets, noted more performances could be on the horizon, depending on how that show went. The proof is in the pudding: The show brought in nearly eight million viewers to broadcast television to watch the meeting of Ms. Piggy and Ms. Carpenter, which was delightful. Months later, the special became Disney’s most-nominated Emmy contender of the year. It already won four Emmys. 

Alas, according to Deadline, the song remains the same for the Muppets, and there are still no plans to move forward with The Muppet Show. Disney has struggled to figure out what to do with Jim Henson’s creations since it purchased the characters in 2004. After introducing the world to Walter in 2011’s The Muppets, starring Jason Segel, the studio returned with the superior Muppets Most Wanted in 2013, followed by an adult-oriented talk show in 2016. Both Most Wanted and the talk show received tepid responses, and ever since, Disney has been stuck in a weird cycle of trying a Muppet thing every three years or so, starting with 2020’s Muppets Now and followed by 2023’s well-liked The Muppets Mayhem. 2026’s The Muppet Show was intended as a backdoor pilot, one based on a television classic that could easily serve as inspiration for more episodes. None have yet been made. 

Deadline’s anonymous sources say it’s not for lack of trying. They just aren’t sure what direction to point The Muppets in. Might we suggest: Toward the stage of The Muppet Theater. 



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